Curse

practicing01 · Aug 15, 2010, 09:05 PM // 21:05

What fascinating skills, Wastrels can now be used for dps! Here's my combo (regular bala, replace magebane with expel [yes you lose the snares, but you get to spike with wastrels!]):

Sirius Bsns · Aug 15, 2010, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Warrior build: no bulls or hammer bash makes me a sad panda [can't stop kiters or knock-lock].

Mesmer bar is just plain arbitrary, tbh. Small damage, long-recharge and avoidable teeny damage C.Storm, inadequate energy management [drain enchant just isn't enough]. Overall, nothing spikey about it.

*lemming* · Aug 16, 2010, 01:34 AM // 01:34

There's plenty of actual overpowered mesmer spike skills; why run an awful bar like that?

Lakdav · Aug 16, 2010, 06:58 AM // 06:58

In my experience, 1 hammer warrior can kill regular players when they dont disable him or there is no monk around. The plus dmg that mesmer provides is not much of a help, and the combo needs synchronising targets -->vent, or reliable player who follows called targets.

The mesmer should disable the target himself, the dmg from the wastrel skills is just a bonus. Like a skillful use of Power Block, or a redundant Echo Diversion. Of course preferably on the monk, so no hex removal is present.

Luminarus · Aug 16, 2010, 07:36 AM // 07:36

Havent checked it, or seen it but:

Wastrels Collapse-Wastrels Worry-> Wastrels Demise->Blackout

Not sure how the timings work, but if it times nicely that could be a gud spike.

*lemming* · Aug 16, 2010, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Havent checked it, or seen it but:

Wastrels Collapse-Wastrels Worry-> Wastrels Demise->Blackout

Not sure how the timings work, but if it times nicely that could be a gud spike.

It doesn't, but even if it did it wouldn't be playable.

Killed u man · Aug 16, 2010, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Wastrels Collapse-Wastrels Worry-> Wastrels Demise->Blackout

Great, half a bar dedicated to doing about 250 damage every 20 seconds.

This covers to about 12 damage per second.

People, stop trying to find an OP combo for these skills, Wastrels worry was never OP, and neither is Wastrel´s Demise. The skills simply dont do enough damage to make a build around, let alone be a staple in a dom mesmer bar.

Luminarus · Aug 16, 2010, 12:39 PM // 12:39

Fair enough, the other one would be PI, Wastrels, Wastrels, CoF/Power Spike/drain, maybe shame, diversion. That mite work a bit better.

Killed u man · Aug 16, 2010, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Fair enough, the other one would be PI, Wastrels, Wastrels, CoF/Power Spike/drain, maybe shame, diversion. That mite work a bit better.

Yeah, but then you´re dedicating n intire bar for 2 skills to work. On top of that, good players will use 1/4s cast time skills on their bar to take off Wastrel´s.

As Lemming said, if you want to run a pressure build, there is far better options. Taint, MB, Ranger, ... If you want spike there is also far better options: Esurge, Unnatural, Burning Arrow, ...

Luminarus · Aug 17, 2010, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Thats wat the 2nd rupt is for, the 1/4 rupt on stand up. Ideally would want like a d-shot for that, and its a bit of a risk. But about 80% of the time in RA, when I kd them with PI, and put up the other 2, i get the rupt as they stand up. Unfortunately, 3 seconds doesnt allow demise to wrack up alot of damage.

Killed u man · Aug 17, 2010, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Thats wat the 2nd rupt is for, the 1/4 rupt on stand up. Ideally would want like a d-shot for that, and its a bit of a risk. But about 80% of the time in RA, when I kd them with PI, and put up the other 2, i get the rupt as they stand up. Unfortunately, 3 seconds doesnt allow demise to wrack up alot of damage.

Yeah, but anything works in RA. We're talking about high-end PvP, where you don't want a damage bar, or a pressure bar, but you want the best damage or pressure bar.

Truth is, as said before, these new skills (wastrel's and overload) aren't as good as other options.

Tearz1993 · Aug 17, 2010, 05:57 PM // 17:57

why arent people just covering diversion with wastrel's demise?

*lemming* · Aug 17, 2010, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Tearz1993

why arent people just covering diversion with wastrel's demise?

What would you drop for it? There's already too many skills you want to take on a dom mesmer bar as is, and dropping something useful for a diversion cover doesn't seem worthwhile.

Tearz1993 · Aug 17, 2010, 10:08 PM // 22:08

right, but what I'm saying is if you're going to use the skill at all, at least combine it with something like diversion which lets WD almost consistently do its full damage.

Killed u man · Aug 18, 2010, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by Tearz1993

right, but what I'm saying is if you're going to use the skill at all, at least combine it with something like diversion which lets WD almost consistently do its full damage.

Yeah, but the question is wether or not you even want to take WD. Even if you squeeze maximum potential out of this skill, it will still barely scrape 30-40 DPS (if U can cast it on recharge on multiple ppl). Illusion of Pain alone did exactly the same, and it didn't have such an unreliable condition. Then again, IoP got nerfed pretty fast....

Playing Is Srs Bsns · Aug 18, 2010, 03:20 PM // 15:20

needs bulls and shatter for big dommage

superraptors · Aug 23, 2010, 05:05 AM // 05:05

backbreaker bars fail without fast activating skills or huge spikes

needs more prot strike + a bulls

*lemming* · Aug 23, 2010, 09:57 AM // 09:57

Yeah, I think this thread's run its course.